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[Aug. 12th, 2006|09:06 pm]
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[agatha_mandrake]
I know our lovely hostess said that there are no dumb questions, but nevertheless, I feel like this is a dumb question. So here it is:

What can anyone tell me about the founding of Israel? I know the very basics, but what specifically happened? I guess what I'm really asking is, how did a country founded by genocide survivors end up persecuting people and pissing off an entire region? How did a perfectly valid idea go wrong?
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[User Picture]From: wildroze22
2006-08-15 02:59 am (UTC)
so youre not asking about how or why it was founded... more about how did we get to this point? complicated but...

the simple idea of jews founding a state is what pissed off the entire region. it didnt take anything else. the second jews started gaining power in the area many arabs got pissed. when the british passed the two state mandates the region was pissed that the jews got anything.

the idea of israel may seem valid to you and me, but much of the middle east (and the world for that matter) has never seen it as valid, and that has been our problem since the start.

the 'perscecution' of others only happened after that. its human nature to react when you are getting killed and attacked. if someone is hitting you again and again at some point you will throw a punch too... or maybe just try to put up protection
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[User Picture]From: agatha_mandrake
2006-08-18 05:01 am (UTC)
Ach, I wasn't real articulate when I typed the post. I guess I was sort of asking how we got to this point, but I was also asking about the actual founding. I know the British weren't big on the idea, I know there was fighting, I know the Palestinians were displaced, I just don't know the details. Why was there fighting? How did the Palestinians get displaced? I've tried to find info, but everyone seems to have an agenda (and I am just not looking at The Complete Idiot's Guide to Middle East Conflict).
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[User Picture]From: winterbadger
2006-11-21 08:18 pm (UTC)
Did you eventually find enough information elsewhere to sate your curiosity, or are you still interested in acquiring more info? I meant to reply to this at the time, but got caught up in other stuff and... three months went by...

One very quick answer to your original post is that, as wildroze22 said, a Jewish homeland in Palestine may have seemed like a valid idea to Jews (who believed it was their ancestral birthright) and to the European powers (who at first wanted to accomodate some powerful Jewish constituents and later wanted to find a 'solution' to the aftermath of the Nazi's attempt to kill all the Jews in Europe). But it never seemed like a valid idea to the non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, who regarded the area as their property, since they'd been living on it for centuries.

As a very simplistic analogy, if the leaders of the modern Cherokee nation decided they wanted Arkansas, north Georgia, and the Carolinas back, that substantial numbers of the Cherokee diaspora were going to go back there and repossess the land of their forefathers and form a Cherokee state to protect the Cherokee thoughout the United States and give them a refuge from oppression and discrimination, how upset would the modern residents of those areas be?
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[User Picture]From: agatha_mandrake
2006-12-09 06:05 am (UTC)
I never really did get an answer (I hear you on getting caught up in other stuff. So glad the semester is over). I will probably eventually get around to combing the library for stuff. Given that I'm currently reading everything I can about the Crusades, that is probably in the not too distant future.
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